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	<title>Comments on: Newbie&#8217;s Experience Setting Up a Pinax Site</title>
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		<title>By: Eric Florenzano</title>
		<link>http://fitzgeraldsteele.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/newbies-experience-setting-up-a-pinax-site/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Florenzano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 06:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s also important to note that it&#039;s still early days for Pinax.  We&#039;ve still never made an official release (it&#039;s coming very soon).  The idea that the user will need to have knowledge of django convention and configuration is unsurprising, considering that Pinax started as a project to identify and incubate Django apps that follow best django practices.

As it becomes more and more of a project of its own, I expect that the out-of-box experience will become easier and easier.  That said, I don&#039;t know if there ever will be a time where it installs the way that WordPress does, as it has a quite different goal and different audience--specifically, an audience that has its own custom django apps to integrate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also important to note that it&#8217;s still early days for Pinax.  We&#8217;ve still never made an official release (it&#8217;s coming very soon).  The idea that the user will need to have knowledge of django convention and configuration is unsurprising, considering that Pinax started as a project to identify and incubate Django apps that follow best django practices.</p>
<p>As it becomes more and more of a project of its own, I expect that the out-of-box experience will become easier and easier.  That said, I don&#8217;t know if there ever will be a time where it installs the way that WordPress does, as it has a quite different goal and different audience&#8211;specifically, an audience that has its own custom django apps to integrate.</p>
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		<title>By: fitzgeraldsteele</title>
		<link>http://fitzgeraldsteele.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/newbies-experience-setting-up-a-pinax-site/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>fitzgeraldsteele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 01:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, of course it is reasonable that an admin/site owner should understand all the underlying parts of their site architecture.  And I&#039;m glad that Pinax has given me the opportunity to play with Django, get a better feel for how the pluggable-apps structure works, and helped me learn a bit about Apache.

However, there is certainly a case to be made that software that allows people to do what they want to do while abstracting away low-level details is valuable to many users.  This is especially true if you want wide software/tool adoption.  Its one reason why we write in dynamic/scripted languages over Java, and why we often prefer Java to C.  It&#039;s one reason why many people prefer hosted blog/social media services to rolling their own.  Of course, the risk here is having &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/LeakyAbstractions.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;leaky abstractions&lt;/a&gt;, but a tool that you can get up and running in 5 minutes is a huge psychological advantage over something that takes 5 hours (or days, when you&#039;ve got more to learn).

I compared Pinax to Wordpress because Wordpress another popular social media framework, but it does a really good job of abstracting away implementation details on install (doing plug-ins and some detailed configuration is different).  If the Pinax team is looking to make Pinax a &#039;killer app&#039; for python/django, then this out-of-the-box experience may need to be addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, of course it is reasonable that an admin/site owner should understand all the underlying parts of their site architecture.  And I&#8217;m glad that Pinax has given me the opportunity to play with Django, get a better feel for how the pluggable-apps structure works, and helped me learn a bit about Apache.</p>
<p>However, there is certainly a case to be made that software that allows people to do what they want to do while abstracting away low-level details is valuable to many users.  This is especially true if you want wide software/tool adoption.  Its one reason why we write in dynamic/scripted languages over Java, and why we often prefer Java to C.  It&#8217;s one reason why many people prefer hosted blog/social media services to rolling their own.  Of course, the risk here is having <a href="http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/LeakyAbstractions.html" rel="nofollow">leaky abstractions</a>, but a tool that you can get up and running in 5 minutes is a huge psychological advantage over something that takes 5 hours (or days, when you&#8217;ve got more to learn).</p>
<p>I compared Pinax to WordPress because WordPress another popular social media framework, but it does a really good job of abstracting away implementation details on install (doing plug-ins and some detailed configuration is different).  If the Pinax team is looking to make Pinax a &#8216;killer app&#8217; for python/django, then this out-of-the-box experience may need to be addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Lilly</title>
		<link>http://fitzgeraldsteele.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/newbies-experience-setting-up-a-pinax-site/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Lilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 03:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;More difficult to deal with is the fact that, in order to use pinax, you need to acquire at least a passing knowledge of django convention and configuration, apache convention and configuration, and all the external apps bundled with pinax.  This can be a tall order.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Is it too much to ask that you would need to know how to setup the server to serve files and knowledge of the language/framework you&#039;re using to deploy a social network? Seems more than plausible to me. Am I wrong? Some things don&#039;t need to be as easy to set up as wordpress, afiac</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>More difficult to deal with is the fact that, in order to use pinax, you need to acquire at least a passing knowledge of django convention and configuration, apache convention and configuration, and all the external apps bundled with pinax.  This can be a tall order.</p></blockquote>
<p>Is it too much to ask that you would need to know how to setup the server to serve files and knowledge of the language/framework you&#8217;re using to deploy a social network? Seems more than plausible to me. Am I wrong? Some things don&#8217;t need to be as easy to set up as wordpress, afiac</p>
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		<title>By: Fernando Correia</title>
		<link>http://fitzgeraldsteele.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/newbies-experience-setting-up-a-pinax-site/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Fernando Correia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very helpful. I&#039;m trying Pinax and your experience will certainly save me many hours. Thanks a lot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very helpful. I&#8217;m trying Pinax and your experience will certainly save me many hours. Thanks a lot!</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Holscher</title>
		<link>http://fitzgeraldsteele.wordpress.com/2008/10/16/newbies-experience-setting-up-a-pinax-site/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Holscher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 16:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great write up! I think this will help a lot of people. Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great write up! I think this will help a lot of people. Well done.</p>
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